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JACK




11th Mar 2022, 1:10 AM
"Robilar's Gambit"

That feat is so much fun, doing more damage to an enemy than they do to you on their turn feels great

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zomg




11th Mar 2022, 2:40 AM

Robilar was the character of Robert Kuntz - old friend of Gary Gygax and one of the original players of dnd.

Robilar was among the first characters for the original Greyhawk Dungeon campaign and are so among the first dnd characters to have been created.

Robilar was a good player, and the feat created for him remains one of the most useful ones for fighter characters.

Robilar participated in a large number of adventures, most of which are now lost to time. Among insane stuff he pulled was being the first character to enter the Temple of Elemental Evil, a master dungeon Gygax took a lot of pride in. Robilar not only soloed the dungeon on his first try, he absolutely trashed it.

In the metaplot Robilar eventually betrayed Mordenkainen - Gygax magic user character. However this was because Gygax and gang lost the copyright to their characters. Kuntz himself has said Robilar would never betray his friend like that.

In a way all of dnd - and almost all fantasy roleplaying games - is an echo of those original sessions.

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Samantha




11th Mar 2022, 4:58 AM

"Something like that, sure." Methinks the DM is cheating a bit.

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Necroes




11th Mar 2022, 6:34 AM

I've said it before; This entire arc really feels like an exercise in DM-fiat with the goal of the DM wanting to 'win.'

Which, honestly, tracks for Mr. 3. He always felt off as a character, especially when first introduced. That he could so easily and effortlessly capture the rest of the crew in this arc always seemed off, especially considering how much of a joke character Mr. 3 is later depicted as.
Even his powers seem off. As a wax-man, 3 should really be a logia-type user. Creating and manipulating a substance from your own body is pretty solidly logia-type, with no similar ability to be a logia-type without the full body effect present in any other paramecia type within the series. His entire character really seems to exist as a competent enemy in this one arc, only because the writers wanted him to seem like a real threat.
Not unlike a DM using DM-fiat to counter a group of vastly more mechanically-minded players.

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Kefkaesquexiii




11th Mar 2022, 8:36 AM

You seem to be forgetting string-man Doflamingo and mochi-man Katakuri, both of whom are also explicitly paramecia types despite their powers looking like logia types at first glance.

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Samantha




12th Mar 2022, 12:25 AM

I maintain that if someone's entire body is a substance (e.g. mochi, rubber) they are logia no matter what the author says. Damage resist/immune? Yeah that sounds logia to me. To the best of my memory, Doflamingo did not have a body literally made of string, though he could make doubles from string. And no, not even mostly a substance like that guy who could meld into rock. Luffy is basically baseline made of rubber. Buggy the clown also works. If you body itself changes vs summoning a power, you're logia.

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HexaDoken




12th Mar 2022, 7:52 PM

Logia is defined specifically as the ability to turn your entire body into an amorphous blob of it's own element, which you can freely shapeshift as needed.

With this in mind:

Mr.3 is not a logia: He can produce wax freely, but his body itself is not made of wax, and is fairly ordinary. BTW Magellan is another example of Paramecia type whose powers work exactly the same as Mr. 3: He can produce poison, but his body itself remains solid at all times.

Luffy is not a logia: His body has the properties of rubber, but he cannot transform himself into rubber and freely control it with his will; all his stretching movements require physical motion that make at least some vague sense. He cannot just avoid a glaive by shapeshifting a hole in his chest the way Aokiji does it, for example.

Buggy is not a logia: His splitting shenanigans allow him to mimick "free shapeshifting" to a high degree, but the split body parts are still fully solid and any attack that he can't split out of will harm him, unlike Logias who can just completely ignore it.

Doflamingo is not a logia: his body is also fairly ordinary and not made of string. However, he is capable of turning his body, as well as surrounding matter, into strings via "awakening" his devil fruit, the mechanics of which are not really explained. Still, this ability does not appear to be always active and requires effort, compared to Logias who can shapeshift willy-nilly.

Katakuri was initially marked as a Logia, but later corrected to "special Paramecia". There isn't any reason given as to why his fruit is marked as such, despite otherwise qualifying for the definition of Logia.


In summary: Per OP definitions, Logia type is a very special type which very specifically requires the ability to fully and automatically transform into your element and freely control it. Simply being able to create a substance but not be made of it, or having properties of a substance without being able to freely control it, does not qualify for Logia

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Arillius




12th Mar 2022, 6:27 AM

Doflamingo was expressly stated to have gone 'above' what paramecia can normally do. It was something I was hoping to see more of, the idea that there is a lot more to the Devil Fruit powers, even the simplest ones, then we see. But yeah, he was definitely an exception to the rule of paramecia.

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khade




12th Mar 2022, 7:19 PM

Isn't the idea that in reality all the devil fruit work more or less the same way, but the user's understanding determines how they can use it?

The users are limited because they aren't enlightened to that idea, though people like Doffy have gone further than most.

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Halosty45

Halosty45




11th Mar 2022, 12:37 PM

But also there are very few opponents in anime that, once defeated, remain relevant threats even if they show up again.

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Therazan

Therazan




12th Mar 2022, 12:16 AM

Player's Handbook 2? Ah, I see you're a man of culture as well.

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