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Malroth

Malroth




16th Oct 2019, 12:03 AM

I've never been clear when to use spot and when to use search and was never clear why 3.0/3.5 seperated those skills in the first place.

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Platonix




16th Oct 2019, 12:53 AM

I believe the difference is that Search typically uses more than just the eyes.

If you Take 20 on a Search check, you are /literally/ "leaving no stone unturned".

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Kale

Kale




16th Oct 2019, 12:56 AM

And 5e has replaced them, with themselves but spelt longer. Perception and Investigation, and it's about as clear as ever on their uses.

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Shard




16th Oct 2019, 2:23 AM

Perception/Spot is passive, Investigation/Search is active. If you go into a room and do a cursory scan of your surroundings, it's Perception/Spot- You're just looking around, not looking for something. If you go into a room and search for 'things out of place' or 'secret passages', it's Investigation/Search- You're actively trying to find a thing you specified.

With Perception/Spot you'll pass over fine details in exchange for stuff you might not be aware of; with Investigation/Search you'll hone in on fine details in exchange for passing over other clues you aren't looking for. It's a matter of intent, and action: One lets you look around, and the other lets you look more closely.

Or, in simpler terms:
Perception/Spot lets you find stuff you're not actively looking for.
Investigation/Search lets you find what you are actively looking for.

It's the difference between "looking at your friend's room and seeing what neat stuff they have" and "going through their desk and closet to find their diary".

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Heyoceama




16th Oct 2019, 3:59 AM

Except Perception has some active component to it, otherwise there'd be no point in distinguishing it from Passive Perception.

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Halosty45

Halosty45




16th Oct 2019, 1:31 PM

And Observant gives +5 to passive Investigation, which isn't always listed on character sheets but exists.

The split is probably more like:
Perception: finding things that are hiding or noticing other sensory information
Investigation: Looking at things to find their significance (like the tiny line on the wall is actually the edge of a secret door and not a typical crack)

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Anvildude




16th Oct 2019, 8:23 PM

Passive vs. active in this case is more like "Luck vs. Skill". Like, Passive is what you can always do, because of training yourself or natural ability or whatnot. Active is, like, taking advantage of a shift in the wind, or noticing a glimmer of light or something.

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Ryhonn




16th Oct 2019, 2:00 AM

Search is for finding something you’re looking for.
Spot is for finding something you aren’t looking for.

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terrycloth




16th Oct 2019, 1:16 PM

Because focused characters (good at searching) who are oblivious to the world around them (bad at spot/listen) are a trope.

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Halosty45

Halosty45




16th Oct 2019, 1:33 PM

The worst part is 3.5 had spot and listen and search, which left no way to determine if you smelled something or felt something (they're definitely not search checks, but neither of those really fall under spot or listen)
Pathfinder made spot, listen, and search all fall under perception which made picking the skills on rogues much easier... and made my rogue who had +40 perception at level 10 almost a viable character (but there was actually no reason to have *that* much perception)

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Guest




16th Oct 2019, 5:22 PM

Spot is for what is in your immediate line of sight. Search is for moving around and checking in/under/behind things.

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Phantomdemon




16th Oct 2019, 12:04 AM
"That's suspicious as fuck, but fuck it."

Tell a time when something was very clearly out of place, but you decided "Fuck it" due to reasons.

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Kale

Kale




16th Oct 2019, 12:46 AM

And now to commandeer that ship.

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Guest




16th Oct 2019, 4:22 AM

So...DOES Laboon have a normal blowhole?

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Guest




16th Oct 2019, 7:54 AM

Probably. the Hatch is closed and seem like it have to be opened manually

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