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By the same author as Grand Line 3.5
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Raxon

Raxon




27th Mar 2015, 12:49 AM

Making a fight last a long time is entertaining in some ways. Tell a story about dragging a fight out to the extreme! Whether by intention or necessity, it's all good!

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Alice




27th Mar 2015, 1:28 AM

Well, a while back, we had just started a party with some level 3 characters and an admittedly over leveled npc that was playing healer. And well... bandits attacked the town. Oddly enough, the town's actual guard was very slow to act and extremely weak, so we had to do the fighting.

We were greatly outnumbered and outleveled. They came in like waves of a dozen or so.

To make matters worse, we were down to 2 players since one guy just stopped showing up. And even worse, half the npcs got taken out within a few rounds.

But, the other player was a completely OP psionic tank, and I was playing a pretty much self-styled ninja sniper. And our overleveled npc was literally just not getting hit. like at all.

That battle lasted for three sessions. the GM did NOT expect us to squeeze out a win, though. We gained 3 levels from that fight.

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Sar.Saraneth




27th Mar 2015, 6:54 AM

Well, I once played Exalted...

(I wish I was joking, but I'm not.)

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Zilfallion

Zilfallion




27th Mar 2015, 11:20 AM

I've mentioned this story already fairly recently. But in my first fight against Slugzor the Tormentor, it lasted around 30 rounds, which was pretty much a record. He had high regeneration values and I had to participate in hit and run tactics in order to not get annihilated because it had a to hit bonus in the high 20's or 30's, that combined with having to spend a round to recover maneuvers every third or fourth round meant it took a while.

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Yuko Hoon

Yuko Hoon




27th Mar 2015, 11:55 AM

Let us talk about the Redwater family. The Redwater family is the result of our insane RP group doing characters for a Song of Ice and Fire campaing: a noble house were all the women were not only skilled warriors, but a few of the most fearsome fighters in all Dorne.

The GM decided to have us fight in a tournament in teams of seven. Ours consisted in four PCs and three NPCs. We roleplayed the entire tournament, including a fight with a Greyjoy with a giant hammer in which my friend made a perfect impersonation of Balalaika and of course the final karmic fight were each confronted the NPCs we were hoping to fight against.

I'll leave the result out, though it was surprisingly epic for the setting. But the entire tournament started at 6 p.m. and finished at 6 a.m.. Yeah, we roleplayed the damn thing for 12 hours, with a half an hour break to eat dinner. We swore then that we wouldn't repeat the experience ever again.

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Zangevi




27th Mar 2015, 5:50 PM
"Sniper Battle "

I have had a few such battles over the years, but the one I recall most clearly lasted 30 or so rounds and we almost lost half the party. The campaign we were running was something akin to a spy thriller in that it was full of political intrigue. Anyway, we had just stopped some wizard from deploying his doomsday device and were heading back to town. The fact that we didn't just spontaneously arrive in town should have clued us in that something was afoot, but we were to high on victory to notice. That is, until, our cleric took an arrow to the neck. Everyone dove for cover and made spot checks but came up empty. For two dozen rounds we moved from cover to cover making spot checks and depleting our healing items as we got hit (it sucks to be on the wrong end of a sneak attack). Finally, we got lucky and located the sniper but by that point two of us were dead and two more of our six man party were critically injured. The wizard layed down a hail of fireballs on the sniper's location as the rest of us charged in, but... We all know how well that sort of thing works on rogues. Once we got into melee the guy went down in just two rounds thanks to two critical hits but the damage had been done: the cleric and ranger were dead. All in all, that was the most annoying fight I've ever been in.

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Disloyal Subject

Disloyal Subject




29th Mar 2015, 4:05 AM
"Hmmm..."

*scribble scribble*

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BakaGrappler




27th Mar 2015, 1:27 AM

GAD! Don't remind me of Yu-Yu-Hakusho, Naruto, Fairy Tail, and all those OTHER mangas and animes that think structured matches are the epitome of the story telling art!

I quit reading Fairy Tail over their tournament arc, and I have not picked it back up since. I may never do so again.

Tournaments are Lawful Evil, but not in a good way!

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Jorlem




27th Mar 2015, 2:40 AM

IIRC, that tournament got derailed partway through, and turned into a plot involving time traveling dragons and assassins. One of said dragons was made entirely of fire.

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Jorlem




27th Mar 2015, 2:43 AM

Also, I believe that tournament had been arranged as a cover, to get as many powerful mages into the city so they'd be on hand to help deal with the attack.

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nathan400

nathan400




27th Mar 2015, 3:32 AM

While I admit Yu Yu Hakusho over used the tournament card, Fairy Tail not only did a highly unconventional fight system but has only done it once, and when it does do more standard fair (in the manga, at least) the fights were kept either short or interesting, such as the almost purely (in my opinion, please do have your own) epic fight of Four Dragon Slayers.

As for why they all use this overused story trope, can you tell me of a different way top get the sorting algorithm of evil to play so nice so consistently?

I mean, it is fair to say that as the characters get better, they become more famous and stronger people come to fight them which forces them to get better to beat the stronger thugs which makes them more well known and so on, but that only works for so long before getting stale or leaving whooping great big plot holes all over the place. So, eventually, you need the character to get a lot stronger real fast and training montages only do so much before wearing out the suspension of disbelief.

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Rooker

Rooker




27th Mar 2015, 6:28 AM
"Epic Filler?"

I've never viewed the "tournament" arcs as a series' idea of ultimate storytelling. The series is probably pressed for ideas. "What can I do to stall the audience without going on hiatus? Crank out a few throwaway concepts I had and stuff them in a tournament. I'm so brilliant, now to put work into a real story so they don't skin me alive when they figure out the tournament was nothing but a decoy!"

That's always been how I viewed it. A tournament CAN be fun though. If done right and told correctly. I might put my D&D players into a tournament at some point. Two of them are heavy combat oriented and the books seem to favor storytelling. Making up a tournament setting for the beaters might be the best idea I can use for being such a terrible GM. I know the magician will enjoy battle too, so I could develop some real interesting stuff while hiding behind a tournament to gain the thing to give to the guy to defeat the whatever and yeah.

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FuzzyZergling

FuzzyZergling




27th Mar 2015, 1:39 PM

I've always seen tournaments as the author going "Fuck it, I just want to draw a bunch of cool characters I'll never use anywhere else."

I mean, how else are we gonna get nice, clean 1v1 fights?

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Joe the Rat




27th Mar 2015, 9:54 AM

Dragonball. Whenever you stop and ask your self "Why does every action manga/anime trot out this tired trope?", Dragonball.

That said, tourneys do give you a quick and dirty way to build up your world - show what sort of crazy over the top and possibly evil powerful people are out there. And it does make a nice break from the "Gauntlet of enemies perfectly designed to push the limits of each fighting character, causing them to overcome said limits or unlock a new ability or simply be clever enough to sidestep the problem entirely."

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Dave




27th Mar 2015, 5:50 PM

Even One Piece had a fight tournament in the story recently.
Funny enough, it was not only partially subverted in the manga (most fights weren't shown), but practically every named participant got at least a side role in the fight against the Big Bad in the end.

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Zangevi




28th Mar 2015, 1:16 PM

What about Hunter x Hunter? One could argue the author handled the tournament concept in a rather unique and not at all typical manner.

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Guest




4th Nov 2017, 2:55 PM

Hey! I love tournament arc. they always give for the most epic fights because it go for clean cut one on one fight. you're also generally sure that they won't interrupt the fight every two minute.
Also a good way to put values like sportmanship, exceeding your limits, making new comrad through fighting...staples of fighting serie.
That said, like everything, there's a well done and poorly done version.
Yuyu hakusho? long, way long, probably too long, but some of the best fight of the serie where on that tournament.
One Piece in dressrossa? good way to do it, the tournament was a integral part of the story, not a "let's put the plot aside to make a tournament", and it did'nt spent too long on the tournament fight. once we get out of the tournament? compare that to how long it get just to get to the fight between Luffy and Doffy...everychapter had two page of characters doing a recap of the situation, and lot of needless cliffhanger just there to end the chapter on a cliffhanger.
Was'nt fond of the one in FT, but not because of the tournament or it's working in itself. as usual just because of the execution but that's another story.
Mär had the tournament as the center of the story. on one hand it was cool, and each individual fight weren't too dragged-out, but on the other hands, it made the story a bit linear. there was more "wonder" before they start the war game (which was going well with a Fairy tales world.)

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Sliver




27th Mar 2015, 1:35 AM

This is the fight that doesn't end,
Yes it goes on and on my friend.
Some people started fighting not knowing what it was
And they'll continue fighting forever just because...
This is the fight that doesn't end,
Yes it goes on and on my friend.
Some people started fighting not knowing what it was
And they'll continue fighting forever just because...
This is the fight that doesn't end,
Yes it goes on and on my friend.
Some people started fighting not knowing what it was
And they'll continue fighting forever just because...
This is the fight that doesn't end,
Yes it goes on and on my friend.
Some people started fighting not knowing what it was
And they'll continue fighting forever just because...

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nathan400

nathan400




27th Mar 2015, 3:36 AM

Just a guess, but I wonder if DragonTrainer was alluding to The Flame of Recca? As much as I love Yu Yu Hakusho and will defend tournament tropes as a necessary and usually fun evil, that one just got boring after a while.

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Kaze Koichi




27th Mar 2015, 5:59 AM

I fucking love today's comic. Es-fucking-pecially how many F-ficking-bombs there are in it.

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Disloyal Subject

Disloyal Subject




27th Mar 2015, 12:29 PM

Well fuck man, you'll fuckin' love this.

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Innisa




27th Mar 2015, 10:39 AM

Well, it was with an Avatar campaign. I was playing an airbender in the party. Somehow things ended up with us fighting an Earth/Sand Golem. The battle started with our Main party getting flung a decent distance away over water (so the water bender was able to keep them from drowning and dying on impact). However, I couldn't really do anything until they got back.
So it turned into a Benny Hill moment. Every turn I'd hit the Golem, trying to blast it away. It would keep regaining sand (because too low of level to get rid of its 'heal' factor with my hits) and it couldn't beat my AC.
Once the party got back together, we were able to take the thing down relatively quickly. But it was waaaaay too long of running around, playing the the Golem.

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TempestK




27th Mar 2015, 12:47 PM
"What you did there, I see it"

Nice DBZ reference there.

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