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By the same author as Grand Line 3.5
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MorteLaMiaVita




7th Feb 2014, 2:14 AM
"Ideas"

Considering that I'm gonna make an Aquatic-Heavy campaign soon, I'm gonna need to start building little ships. The problem is gonna be setting them up so that ALL the decks can be used at once. you know, sort of a collapsible design.

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Raxon

Raxon




7th Feb 2014, 3:14 AM

The trick to making lage numbers of ships is to make small boats. Easily done with a dremel tool to grind it down. Even quicker if you make them out of Styrofoam. Just be sure to glue little weights to the bottom so they don't get blown away so easily. Tiny metal ships work fine, too, if you want very small ones.

As for being collapsible, take a page from things like travel chess, with a magnetic board. The lid folds out and becomes part of the map. It's not that complicated, it just takes a bit of metalwork and glue.

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Joe the Rat




7th Feb 2014, 9:56 AM

Models will be tricky. One of the things you need to deal with is scale. A modest-sized medieval vessel like a cog midranges as 20m by 7m - ballpark to 60ft by 20ft. Standard miniature scale, that's a 12" by 4" field. How big's your table?

You may want a dual scale for naval movement vs. tactical (shipboard) movement in combat - bring the deck plans out after you lock up for boarding.

You might want to try to rig up a sort of exploded layer tray based around a central mast - something you can lay the deck levels onto, and have enough clearance to manipulate figures. clear plastic would improve visibility, and make it clearer that edge of map = edge of boat, while keeping the veritcal alignment in place. If you want something "true to life," take Raxon's foam modeling idea to build the basic shell, then slice it for the decks. I'd just do a 1-2-3 type layer arrangement, but if you wanted to be really tricksy you could cut a few dowels to set into the hull to explode the layers while you are above/below fighting. You'd want enough space to easily put your fist through - enough room to manipulate and see easily. As most decked vessels still have a narrow profile, you shouldn't have too much trouble on reach/space.
Weighting the base is a priority here, as this will get tall pretty quickly. Foreshorten the masts to compensate.

Well, it's an idea.

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jennibrock




7th Feb 2014, 1:01 PM
"3D can be less useful"

If you're playing a game that uses minis, it's not always useful to have detailed three-dimensional environments where it's tough to move the characters around. Get a sheet of foam core that's already printed with grid lines and cut out the floor plans of your ship decks, maybe add a second layer of foam core for forecastles and cabins and such, but height doesn't need to be to scale.

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Raxon

Raxon




7th Feb 2014, 10:56 PM

... seriously. A hollow, fold out game board. Simple to make and you could add half a dozen floors and decks, if you have room.

Little cast iron dudes and ships are also easy to make. Heck, if you don't have time for that, you can take steel slugs and stamp them, or engrave them with a stencil. This is really easy to do.

The board is basically a pair of cookie sheets, with one cut in half, and hinges on either side, so it folds out. All you have to do then is secure a grid to a magnetic sheet, and drop it in. Easy as pie.

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Raxon

Raxon




7th Feb 2014, 3:15 AM

I'll bet GM modeled the figurehead on a playboy centerfold.

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Lina

Lina




7th Feb 2014, 6:09 AM

-20 degree celsius?

...

If we had that here, that would be news! I wish we could have some days that we're that cold...
On the other side: Brrrrrrrrr!

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Malroth




7th Feb 2014, 7:30 AM

So now we know they're somewhere in the Northern Hemisphere, Almost Certianly in the US thanks to the Imperial measurement instead of the Metric used everywhere else and Far enough North where it reaches -4F/-20C (aka nowhere close to where I live where the winter Tempratures are 60F/16C)

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Rudeboygraves




7th Feb 2014, 1:29 PM

Colorado most of the winter

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Otaku

Otaku




7th Feb 2014, 7:59 PM
"If we are going to overanalyze, let's mean it! XD"

The United States isn't exactly small, and a while it would be abnormally low for several places to hit -4ºF, conditions do allow for it; severely bad weather (Polar Vortex, anyone?), living at a higher elevation, or simply wind chill.

If I really cared I'd cross reference this with all of the almost random places (all quite small) that use Imperial Units instead of metric, but I think most are in warmer climates.

Given that confusion over temperatures, this feels a bit unreliable; the GM couldn't tell that the temperature was almost 29ºF (16ºC... if I did the math right) colder than he thought it was. Maybe some players are from the States and some are from Canada?

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Neon Vincent




7th Feb 2014, 8:43 PM
""Some players are from the States and some from Canada""

That's exactly what's happening. The two bounty hunters are being played by Americans, while the rest are apparently Canadian. The author of this strip is from Canada, as the first Thanksgiving greeting to the readers came on Canadian Thanksgiving in October. Also, this strip updates at Midnight Atlantic Time, so the origin can be narrowed down to the one of the Maritime provinces.

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Raxon

Raxon




8th Feb 2014, 1:32 AM

I assumed the players were all filthy Canadian bourgeoisie. We must destroy them! Rise up, my brothers and sisters! Throw off the chains these parasites hold you in! The workers will inherit the earth! Unite as one and kill your oppressors! Vote yes on proposition 271! Unionize, my mexican brethren! Demand your fair share from the evil capitolist pigs! Tonight, we dine at Starbucks!

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DragonTrainer

DragonTrainer




8th Feb 2014, 3:24 AM

One word: Timbits ^_^

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Raxon

Raxon




8th Feb 2014, 3:05 PM

Feelthy capitolist swine! The workers will not stand for your arrogance! The workers shall have pasties, and they will feed the revolution!

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Malroth




8th Feb 2014, 9:07 PM

Well this worker is willing to stand for the arrogance for an extra 5$ an hour or so

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Neon Vincent




8th Feb 2014, 10:34 PM
"pasties"

What are you, Raxon, a Yooper?

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Raxon

Raxon




9th Feb 2014, 1:37 AM

I don't know. I rolled communism on the table, so I just wrote until I hit a meme.

Besides, pasties are awesome! They're meaty pies you can eat without a fork. With your bare hands. They're also super easy to make! Beef, onions, carrots, turnips, and potatoes in a buttery, chewy crust! They are awesome bento foods!

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Neon Vincent




8th Feb 2014, 10:32 PM
"Timbits"

I can get those here in Michigan. Still, that does suggest Canada, even if it's not definitive.

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xuincherguixe

xuincherguixe




8th Feb 2014, 10:56 PM
"Timbits"

Oo. Those would be good for representing giants.

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Raxon

Raxon




9th Feb 2014, 1:39 AM

I like to use Barbie dolls and G.I. Joe figures. For very large golems, I use transformers.

Pelor help you if you have to fight unicron.

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xuincherguixe

xuincherguixe




8th Feb 2014, 10:58 PM
"Death to the imperialist regime"

One thing is that many of us STILL haven't gotten used to the metric system.

It's a little annoying because I have to deal with that on a regular basis.

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Raxon

Raxon




9th Feb 2014, 1:45 AM

I live in the US, and I generally use metrics for things.

Then again, I use metric because I can be more precice. Centimeters, milimeters, etc. Some of my favorite cartridges are in metric. I think my favorite is 7.62x54R, mule kick of champions.

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xuincherguixe

xuincherguixe




9th Feb 2014, 5:50 AM

I assume that Fahrenheit 451 is one too. Because that's the temperature that the books at the burn underneath the body of the librarian that thought you had to pay late fees.

And then you didn't have to pay the late fees.

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Raxon

Raxon




9th Feb 2014, 6:13 PM

That's actually a myth. The flash point of paper is actually significantly higher than that. It's just that fire burns things at a lower temperature than flash point.

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gallowsCalibrator

gallowsCalibrator




9th Feb 2014, 5:08 AM

And so Dracule Mihawk is born.

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Mecryte




9th Feb 2014, 8:48 PM
"I need an opinion"

We recently started a campaign. We are doing sky pirates with big focus on ship to ship combat. First session, 7 brutes, 1 brute elite and 2 artillery, all equal to our party level. Our party, Controllers with a heavy focus in initiative and forced movement. Enemies go last. We force them off the ship before their turn even comes, and the DM cries foul by coming up with excuses and saving throws to draw combat out longer. He didn't expect that we'd ruin the epic experience of clashing blades by pushing the enemies off the ship. Who's in the right?

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Solokov




9th Feb 2014, 9:03 PM
"The DM is always right."

See rule 1217: "No matter what the dice just said, I didn’t kill the villain with the first shot of the combat."

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Mecryte




9th Feb 2014, 9:17 PM

But it wasn't just the dice. It was also good power picks and a good team strategy. It's not our problem that we saw the circumstances and responded accordingly.

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gallowsCalibrator

gallowsCalibrator




9th Feb 2014, 11:47 PM

Rule Zero: The DM is always right.

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aerion111

aerion111




10th Feb 2014, 12:22 AM

The DM is definitively 'right', because he is ALWAYS right, but he might also be a massive jerk.
In other words, if he's pulling the 'discussion over' card, stop discussing... But consider whether you want him to continue GM-ing at all.

Also, a lot of Forced Movement doesn't allow you to push people off edges. Look into if you were allowed to do that.

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Otaku

Otaku




30th Apr 2015, 12:57 AM

In our group we amended it to "The GM is always right when playing by himself." If we were in a bad mood, we changed a key word. ;)

Now at the same time, we also recognized the GM has the final say. It is just our most veteran players had long gamed under a stereotypical ironfisted D&D GM so while we weren't supposed to disrupt everything over it, we were allowed to ask questions and politely (preferably in private) point out perceived mistakes.

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JET73L




13th Sep 2015, 7:57 AM

I've never had to DM a situation where the locations were mobile and large enough that each location needed decks (alas; for my current campaign, I wanted to DM a highly simplified Spelljammer, but the number of new players, the large party, and the insistence of some people that spelljamming has to be complicated meant we picked a different setting), but I'm for representing any more than a couple or three "ships" (etc.) with cutout models*. These are on a smaller scale, such as ~1cm = 20 feet. The decks within the ships can then be represented as maps with a standard 1in = 5 feet. In this instance, the Baratie aould be represented by both the usual Baratie map and a ship the size of a Matchbox car. Don Krieg's ship would be represented by both a binder's worth of deck maps and a card stock ship the size of a large ottoman.

*Pirates Constructible Strategy Game is a good approximation.

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