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By the same author as Grand Line 3.5
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Raxon

Raxon




24th Jan 2014, 12:56 AM

I'm not actually a commenter. The stat gains on that are terrible. I'm actually a commentator with prestige levels in rambling man.

And this pic of yours truly? It's not a standard jpeg. It's the avatar prestige class. Much more powerful.

I would have chosen the wingding class for my text, but the insane stat gains and tons of extra feats and abilities weren't worth the required flaws.

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Jadelynn

Jadelynn




24th Jan 2014, 1:07 AM

why the hell can't we upvote comments? Bravo.

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Raxon

Raxon




24th Jan 2014, 1:30 AM

I get that a lot. I also get 'AAAAUUUUUGGGHHH!!! I NEED A TREPANATION DRILL, A BEER BONG, AND A TEN GALLON JUG OF BLEACH!'

It all depends on how naughty I feel.

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Kaleopolitus




24th Jan 2014, 9:55 AM

You're a terror on D&D comic comment sections, Raxon...

We love you for it.

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nathan400




17th Jun 2014, 5:02 PM

Raxon, rax off



Truly a great way to start the journey that ends with roundhouse kicks to the face.

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HappyMuffin




24th Jan 2014, 1:07 PM

I've asked for the bleach because of Raxon. It's scarry to think that there are 2 more levels...
(shudder)

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Daj




24th Jan 2014, 1:47 AM

That one of the things that always slightly annoyed me about the show.
The Straw Hats are the worst pirates in all of history. Not once does the crew murder people, rape people, raze towns, steal anything or hijack a boat.
Except a little bit at first where Nami stole, but it was from bad guys.

I don't even remember why the Staw Hats have a bounty on their head. Is it because of the town where Luffy picked up Zoro?

Superman would praise the goodie two shoes level of not-evil that these guy are at.

... or does that make them the best pirates ever?

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Hotduelist




24th Jan 2014, 1:57 AM
"The government"

The bounties are based on either how dangerous they are or how threatened the World Government is by them. thus why a little girl(Nico Robin) had a large bounty even though she was just a little girl.

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Raxon

Raxon




24th Jan 2014, 2:29 AM

Bounties represent high scores in the one piece universe. I have a character who does something similar. He seemingly commits terribly crimes. He buys a dude's house, sneaks him out of the city, then kills a male and a female mugger/bandit/whatever extremely dangerous violent criminals he encounters, puts them in the house, and sets the whole thing ablaze while standing on the rooftop and laughing maniacally. He steals everything out of the guardhouse, and locks it in the jail cells, including the heavy furniture. He raises his bounty as much as possible, yet he's only chaotic neutral, and he makes his money as a mercenary.

The secret to his behaviour is that he has found the higher his bounty, the more dangerous people think he is, and the more people will pay him when they hire him for something.

You know, for a technically law abiding citizen, he cultivates his image more carefully than any bard.

Though he does like to start bar fights and steal the other guy's wallet while they're going at it, so he's pretty damn competent. Also because nobody expects him to try that while being watched, but again, extremely competent high level character.

He is so much fun, though, and endlessly exasperating for any DM.

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storyeater




24th Jan 2014, 9:56 AM

Well,how I see it,being a pirate on One Piece is more akin to being "chaotic"that it is to being "evil".This is D&Dised,since there are a few pirates that would qualify as lawful (Lawful evil,mostly)and a few marines that would qualify as chaotic (Garp anyone?).In non one piece terms the choice is not "be a law abiding citizen or rape,pillage and burn"but instead "obey the government ,overlooking some of its shadier orders in the name of neccesity,trying to correct them if you are good,to cause more if you are evil vs live free in the sea,doing whatever you want.Whenever that whatever you want is plundering,building an evil empire,or having fun while being not evil,or even being a vigilante against government and pirates alike,its all the same for the world government."It is a choice between order and freedom (or neutrality if you are a random citizen/king/merchant/bounty hunter/whatever,but these affect the plot the least,indivindually,so who cares)

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Raxon

Raxon




24th Jan 2014, 1:34 PM

I can actually support your theory. Someone, I think Raleigh, asked Luffy something along the lines of 'will finding one piece make you king?'

And Luffy says, "The king of the pirates is the man who is freeest!"

So yeah. Being a pirate generally just means being chaotic.

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Daj




27th Jan 2014, 7:44 PM

So being a pirate in One Piece is kinda like being an Outlaw in Outlaw Star; an individual who isn't necessarily good/evil but is outside the law.
So the World Government just labels everyone they don't like as pirates which makes sense given how modern governments list people they don't like as terrorists (like Greenpeace) regardless of what they actually do.
I have always hated that thing about piracy representing freedom. Being the government's bitch is no worse than being a pirate captain's bitch. And in the One Piece world some government officials have total freedom and do whatever they want.

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xuincherguixe

xuincherguixe




24th Jan 2014, 1:59 PM

The other commenters covered most of it.

I can't really think of them as being terrible pirates. Because I don't think they actually care about any of that rape, plunder, and burning stuff. Even for Nami, wealth isn't that much of a concern for her if you think about it.

They're a fairly standard adventurer group, though a particularly hardcore one.

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Naraht

Naraht




24th Jan 2014, 5:14 PM
"good vs evil"

A problem with D&D is this ingrained concept that people are innately good or evil (etc.) Often, things are much less cut and dry, one persons evil terrorist is another persons good freedom fighter.

One Piece operates in a universe where there is a corrupt government, and several factions opposed to that government - one of those factions is "Pirates" which is more of a catch all that a unified faction in and of itself. Pirates are according to the government all evil criminals, regardless of what actions they actually take.

Insofar as the Straw Hats go, while they may not rape and pillage (something even actual pirates rarely did) they do frequently destroy government property, etc.

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Otaku

Otaku




25th Jan 2014, 2:31 AM
"One Too Many"

I'd say the problem is that D&D has this concept that people are innately good. My experience is that we are all differing degrees of innately evil. ;)

One Piece operates in a setting where there is supposed to be a "One World Government"... which inevitably like all governments will eventually become corrupt and unlike governments in competition, leaves subjects no choice but to submit or rebel; when there are other independent governments, you still have the option to move to [insert territory under other gov't]. I mean, it is true that isn't always an option, but that is better than "never". With governments in competition, there is at least some hope of expunging the corruption, even if it is minute.

Destroying government property when said property is being used unlawfully does not constitute "evil" in my book... and more importantly, in the books of others far more learned and respected than some random online otaku. XD

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Anvildude




24th Jan 2014, 7:54 PM

They're not Pirates because they rape pillage and burn, they're Pirates because they're sailors who don't pay taxes or port fees, don't listen to the World Government (remember, the Govmn't's supposed to be the "Good Guys"), fight and kill Marines by the boatload, and do what they want 'cause a Pirate is Free, they are a Pirate.

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MeyersFTW




27th Jan 2014, 9:58 PM
"on the subject of bounties"

TL;DR The reason Luffy and his crew have bounties is not because they are terrible people, but because they potentially could become a dangerous threat to the world gov't. Think of bounties as a preemptive strike initiative

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JET73L




13th Sep 2015, 7:25 AM

They may be the worst pirates in all of history, but they are IN history.

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LordSmylee

LordSmylee




24th Jan 2014, 4:11 AM

Why the Straw Hats have bounties.
1. the claim to be pirates(in a world full of evil pirates)
2. they have resisted and fought the navy many times
3 they are strong bad-asses that keep getting stronger

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Rooker




24th Jan 2014, 4:24 AM
"Bounties"

If I remember correctly, their first official Bounty was posted after they took down Arlong. They had shown up on the radar with Luffy duking it out with Morgan, then Buggy, then Kuro, and then Krieg, but Arlong was considered big time in East Blue and I think he netted Luffy his first Bounty of 30,000,000.

Like Nat has pointed out a few times, Pirates have their own codes they follow. And they steal plenty. Just not always entirely on purpose. Think of it like this here at Baratie. They get to walk away from all of it even though Zeff repeatedly threatened Luffy if he didn't earn back the value of his ship and the damages done.
Helping yourself to something and then being forgiven for a helpful thing you did later is still considered stealing if you really want to split hairs. It just isn't going to get reported. You won't have charges against you. And because Battle Anime, that's why. When's the last time you saw a mainstream anime follow LAWS?

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Malroth




24th Jan 2014, 6:04 AM

Well the World Government in the One Piece world is very strongly Lawful Evil and values obedience far more strongly than the welfare of its citizens. It sets bounties based largely on how much it dislikes you and conciders merely raising a Jolly Roger to be a Capital crime. The Strawhat crew get bounties because they refuse to suck up to Authority and tend to pick fights with important people who harm their friends.

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Raxon

Raxon




24th Jan 2014, 1:29 PM

A/S/L Pirates forever!

Yes, this was a thing.

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Jack Trowell




24th Jan 2014, 6:33 AM

From "Romance Dawn", a pilot of the serie, there were a description of two kinds of "pirates", ones that were more like treasure hunters and free navigators, and others that were the plundering kind.

This distinction has been lost when Oda got to start the serie, and I think that the main problem is just the translation that gave us the "pirate" word whose official definition does not match exactly its use in universe.

If you think as this word as a loose term used byt the World Government to describe any unregistered ship, then it make sense. You are not a "pirate" because you attack other ships, you are a "pirate" because you don't follow the World Gov. laws and restrictions.

This is not unlike the US and their allies abusing the word "terrorist" by using it to describe anyone opposing their views.

And about the first bounty on Luffy, it was indeed after defeating Arlong, but the source of the bounty was not the victory over Arlong itself, but the corrupt Marine officer "Mezumi" that asked for one after having been beaten by Luffy and co.

So the fact that Luffy did win against Arlong (and the other big pirates from East Blue) was not the source of the bounty, but it served as a justification for such a large first bounty for a new rookie "pirate".

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Lina

Lina




24th Jan 2014, 9:11 AM
"I keep forgetting I can put in title...."

I couldn't stop laughing at the "wait, we're not pirates?". I'm pretty sure I would react exactly the same XD
This commic is getting better and better! I can't stop loving it.

PS I agree with the points made above. The strawhats are pirates and get bounties because they claim to be pirates and because they opose the world goverment

PPS: I love these kind of discussions that no one expected but everyone wants to react to!!!

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aerion111

aerion111




24th Jan 2014, 9:13 AM

I'd claim the distinction between the Pirate class and the term 'Pirate' is much the same as between the Warrior class and the term 'warrior'
If you say 'Bring all the warriors to the front gate!' you're not just going to get people with the NPC-class Warrior, you're likely to also get a couple of Clerics and, if you're really lucky, a Sorcerer (never a Wizard - not only would they not get the message, they wouldn't care enough to save the town)

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Otaku

Otaku




24th Jan 2014, 11:15 AM
"Pirate Class?"

Thanks for reminding me yet again why I prefer systems that don't have character classes (or at least "hardwired" ones). "Pirate" as a sort of "career template" I can see, but its an aquatic bandit... and if you're really good at one aspect of "the pirate's life", you can be lousy at the rest because usually you're part of at least a small crew (as opposed to Zoloing it).

That is actually one of the things I thought One Piece handled well; the crew is pieced together out of where necessity meets opportunity. As we weren't starting with a ready, balanced crew, we get a tale where needs are met as soon as possible... even if it is something your average RPG party would prefer to have right away (like a good healer).

I mean, I don't know how well that reflects the real world, but especially in RPGs, it is just easier to put study time or points into the necessary sailing skills as time goes on, unless your GM plans on making sailing the actual meat of the game... in which it was time for an intervention anyway before it goes all Windwaker. ;)

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BakaGrappler




24th Jan 2014, 11:16 AM

They're pirates, but none of them are pirates...?

Isn't that kinda like dividing by zero?

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xuincherguixe

xuincherguixe




24th Jan 2014, 2:14 PM

I for one want to divide by zero!

Also if you want to get technical division by zero is just undefined.

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Rev666




24th Jan 2014, 7:50 PM
"Calling It"

I totally see Emily and Catherine playing as Patti and Carne.

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Cobalt




25th Jan 2014, 10:31 PM

Kinda funny when you point that out, a crew of pirates with classes that are anything but pirate-y.

Funny thing is while a friend and I were watching One Piece (we're further in the story than the comic is) and we've pretty much made a game out of figuring out what class builds and feats various characters would have, for example, we're guessing Chopper would be a Druid (with Zoan fruit powers as campaign setting supplement rules) and Robin would be a Factotum with prestige levels in Reaping Mauler.

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